Club Meeting Minutes 2020 and 2019
Big Sky RC Meeting Minutes January 8, 2020
President Dan Woods brought the meeting to order at 6:07 PM at the Paris Education Center cafeteria, with 11 members in attendance. Before reading last month’s minutes President Dan Woods presented the “Most Improved Flyer” award for 2019 to Don Gilles. Don Gilles read the minutes from December’s meeting, and they were accepted as read. Treasurer Darrel Anderson read the Treasurer’s report, it was also accepted as read. Old business: Doug McCombs asked if there was an update on reviewing our lease to allow building a RC car track at our facility. Tom Penn stated he knows the local car modelers are looking for a new track and the car modelers might be forming their own club. Dan Woods stated it might bring a boost to our membership if we were to build a track. Tom Penn stated the nitro cars bring a lot of noise and this might be an issue of concern. Dan Woods stated all of this is on his to-do list and he hopes to review it soon and get back to the club with his findings. Dan Woods discussed the banquet results and it seemed people were pleased with the MT Club. Dan Woods proposed we plan for using the MT Club again next year and he’ll contact them to see if he can schedule the 2020 banquet for either December 6th or 13th, 11pm to 4pm, moving to a Sunday event instead of Saturday. Dan Woods asked about what the club should do with the remaining planes from Bud Lee, either to auction or give them away. John Sandy said a raffle might be an option. Two of Bud’s planes were given away at the 2019 Christmas banquet. Dan Woods stated he could build a list of all the planes with pictures and John Sandy said he’d send it out to his list of contacts. John Sandy thought we might raffle them off at our fly-in. Dan Woods said another option is for the club to meet up and go through all the items Bud Lee gave the club. New business: Dan Woods discussed the requirement to move our club sign that is located on highway 87 due to scheduled road construction. The sign must be taken down by August 1st. Dan Woods asked if we should reuse the old sign or make a new one. John Ropp thought we should make a new sign, it was discussed, but nobody volunteered to make a new sign. Darrell Anderson read the legal requirements of the MT Outdoor Advertising Act, MT Code Annotated, 75-15-101. John Sandy asked for clarification on where we could relocate the sign and Dave Grosse explained the sign must be located outside of the right of way, on private property. Dan Woods brought up our events for 2020 and a tentative get-together with Helena. Dan Woods stated we would keep our normal events but maybe move the quad event to a new date and he would send out the proposed event dates to club members. Dan Woods stated our open house weekend will probably be 10-12 July but not advertise Sunday as part of the open house. It was also discussed if night flying was allowed. The AMA was denied permission to hold their annual night flying event at the AMA Expo West this year but the FAA denied the AMA’s request to have the night flying event and offered no reason for the denial. Currently AMA’s safety code allows night flying. More to come on this. Dan Woods also discussed the July 4th parade and that he won’t be building a float this year and asked the members if anyone was interested in heading up as float master – there were no takers. Dan Woods asked if we should pay for an advertisement or just use the free notices such as the Tribune’s Hot Ticket. Don Woods stated the local TV Community Calendar is a possible option. Darrell Anderson reminded members our off-site FAA agreements are valid through this year Dave Grosse asked about scheduling a build night. John Sandy volunteered his garage and Steve Woodhouse said his new runway is ready and he’s open to having a field of the month / build event. A date for either of these was not set. Darrell Anderson read the FAA notice that FAA registrations were extended through 2020 at no cost and also informed everyone about bogus registration sites. Darrell Anderson then brought up and read the AMA Leader Minute brief about the FAA’s new Remote ID and gave a brief rundown on its requirements and implications for our club. Don Gilles stated that the FAA has already posted a revision to Remote ID and to wait a bit before submitting any comment to ensure you comment on the most current revision. John Sandy brought two new models to the meeting – they looked great. Thanks John.
Thanks to all attendees and the meeting was adjourned at 7:07pm.
December 4th, 2019 President Dan Woods brought the meeting to order at 6:05 PM at the Paris Education Center cafeteria, with 12 members in attendance. Bruce Hadella read the minutes from November’s meeting, and they were accepted as read. Treasurer Darrel Anderson read the Treasurer’s report, it was also accepted as read. Bruce Hadella asked about an “indoor flying account” with $80 in it and we agreed to change it to an Asphalt Account as the money is not used toward indoor flying.
Old business: Dan Woods brought up our annual banquet on the 14th of December. He will send out an email to get a firm head count. We will be doing the gift exchange, if you want to participate, bring a gift valued at around $20. Bud Lee’s donation of all his RC stuff to the club was discussed. A couple items will be raffled off at the banquet or given as door prizes. We talked about different ways to sell the items to generate funds for the club. More to come. John Sandy said that he is bringing a couple things to the banquet for prizes, etc. Thank you, John! Doug McCombs asked about talk with the local RC car club and building a track at our field for them. No word on that yet.New Business: Darrell Anderson had a good idea about naming our events in memory of members who have passed on. We all liked that and will be planning our events as such. Secretary Chuck Woods asked to step down as Secretary. Bruce Hadella made a motion for Don Giles to become the new Secretary. Don graciously accepted the position. Don Woods seconded the motion and the motion carried. We all voted for the same officers next year, except for Don Giles for secretary. A big thank you to Don G. for stepping up!!Bruce Hadella brought up the danger of fire caused by Lipo batteries and they have been causing more fires than fuel planes lately. He wanted to make sure that we get a good fire extinguisher or two for the field. John Ropp suggested the type that are filled with just water under pressure. The group was also reminded that there is a rule for flyers of gasoline planes to have their own extinguisher close at hand when there are flying.
Dave Harris told the group that he will be moving to New Hampshire next year and will probably not renew his membership for 2020. He is moving to be close to children and grandchildren. He will be missed!!John Ropp talked about the “Flight School” offered by Horizon Hobby and our local hobby store, Hobbytime, has all the information about it. AMA offers a 3-month Trial membership and Dan Woods suggested that Big Sky RC Modelers do the same to let someone give it a try without paying for a full year. John Ropp told us that Hobbytime would allow us to bring down some flyers to distribute and Dan Woods said he still has some made up that we could use. Dave Gross brought up the topic of flight training with a buddy box and he thought it would be easier if the club had a trainer plane designated just for the purpose. There was some discussion about having a buddy box system that would be ready to go when someone showed up and wanted to try it. More to come.
Safety officer Bruce Hadella then told the group that we need a specific pilot line in the gym for our indoor flyers. No more buzzing the crowd!! Thanks to all that attended and meeting was adjourned at 7:05.
November 6 Meeting Minutes taken by Bruce H. Held in the cafeteria in the Paris Gibson Educ.Center
President Dan Woods called the meeting to order at 6 PM. Seven members and one guest were present.
Dan read the Minutes from the last meeting, they were approved as read. Darrell Anderson gave the Treasurers Report, it was approved as read. The Christmas Party details were briefly reviewed. Our Annual Awards Dinner will take place at 1 PM at the Montana Club in Black Eagle. We will have three awards to present, and there will be a gift exchange for members wishing to exchange presents. Dave Harris nominated the present Club officers to be renominated. Dave will also have the plaques engraved. Elections will be held at the December meeting. Dave Harris and John Sandy put the big wind sock and traffic cones away for the winter. Bruce mentioned that we might visit Club By Laws again this winter, we started last year, but stalled out. Last update 2009. Most of the meeting centered around a presentation and question period with Rick Crow, Area AMA VP in attendance. Rick drove over from his residence in Garrison MT to attend out meeting. He reviewed many of the details of the May 2019 FAA bill passed by the US Congress. It kind of boils down to that FAA owns the air above the ground. All aircraft, including models, even control line are governed by this bill. We did find out that our field is exempt from a FAA Letter of Agreement. Our RC Field is okayed by FAA and is restricted to flights not to exceed 400 feet. Several Clubs in Montana are in trouble with the FAA as they are too close to the airports and they need to get a Letter of Agreement from FAA. Rick advised those clubs not registered with FAA to contact him. He was very up to date on all pros and cons of the law. FAA does require you display your FAA number on the outside of of your plane, drone, heli. He did say the law does not say how big the letters have to be. Some the FAA rules he liked, others he did not, but right now, the law is the law. Its hard to recall all the stuff that was talked about. A lot of this mess was caused by non AMA flyers with their quads flying around airports and other dangerous spaces just to catch some good video. A couple things that come to mind is FAA does not sanction any night flying. A written test will be required by AMA members sometime early next year. He said the common member should have no trouble passing it. It will be administrated at meetings or can be taken on line. Thats about all I can read from my notes. I left my notes on the table the meeting night, and my cat ate half of them. And somehow I still like cats #@!(*^%+_
October 2nd, 2019 President Dan Woods brought the meeting to order at 7 pm. at the 10th Ave So Hardees with 10 members in attendance. Secretary Chuck Woods read the minutes from the previous meeting and they were accepted as read. Treasure Darrell Anderson read the treasures report, it was also accepted as read. Don Hungerford asked the group if it was possible for 2 members to sign up this time of year and next year would be included. It was determined that is the rule and was fine. Old Business: The float fly in Helena started the old business discussion but no one from our club attended. Our quad event was canceled, and Leo's event is postponed due to weather. Dan Woods then brought up our Indoor flying at Paris middle school. As of October 2nd, the gym is not open for scheduling, but hopefully will be available next week. Darrell Anderson then told the group he was unable to check on our land lease about the car track proposal. New Business: Dan Woods then told us about a new member by the name of Dave Dobbins. Welcome Dave! Darrell Anderson mentioned that we have to move our sign along the highway. Dave Grosse has all the information about the move. It needs to be moved by August 1st, 2020 due to highway improvement. We will collect $2200 for moving the sign. It needs to be moved 30 feet East of it’s current location. Don Hungerford had a suggestion about our Quad Racing event. He has found that having the runway to use as a reference is very helpful when flying FPV and perhaps setting up a racecourse in that area would be better. We had some discussion about the current set up and perhaps we could do some more mowing around the track would help. Crashing in the grass is much less destructive than on the paved runway. More to follow. Dave Harris and John Sandy made mention that is it that time of year to put our windsock into storage for the winter. Dan Woods told the group that he was going to submit our runway repair costs to the AMA and see if we could utilize some of the grant money available for such projects. Dave Grosse has been continuing to work on the runway cracks, Thank you Dave! Darrell Anderson had noticed that we need to have another member or two be able to sign the Clubs checks and there are a couple names on the account that need to be removed. Dan Woods ended the meeting with the proposal that on meeting nights during the indoor flying season, we get started with the meeting at 6 pm and use the remaining time for flying instead of splitting flying time with the meeting at 7. We agreed that was a good idea. Meeting was adjourned at 7:50 and thanks to all that attended!
September 4th, 2019 President Dan Woods brought the meeting to order at the 10th Ave South Hardee's at 7:00 PM with 11 members in attendance. Secretary Chuck Woods read the minutes from the previous month’s meeting, and they were accepted as read. Treasurer Darrell Anderson read the Treasurer’s report and it was also accepted as read. We started talking about old business with the runway crack project. The patches turned out pretty good but not perfect, but way better than what we had. Dan Woods suggested that we find a crack filler to seal the gaps between the concrete and pavement. Dan had used a self-leveling product that did not work as well as planned. Dave Harris suggested an asphalt sealer to be smoothed out with a putty knife. There was also talk about the ruts in the grass caused by the cement truck. Don Giles used his van to flatten some of them out. Also, John Sandy used the rototiller to knock them down, which helped. Thanks guys! Our next topic was our scale event. Attendance was a little low with only 15 Flyers and only one from out of town. Dave Grosse did a lunch, sold 15 lunches. Thank you, Dave! There has been several discussions about how to increase our membership. Dan Woods has talked to Zach at our Hobby Time store in Great Falls. We are going to try and get in touch with the local RC car club with the intention of building a track that our field. Darrell Anderson said that he would check with the lease and make sure that's possible. Dan Woods then asked Darrell if it was possible to track AMA members that are not members of our club. Darrell said that’s not possible.Darrell Anderson brought a new plane, ready to fly, for the club to purchase to give away/raffle off at our banquet. Don Woods then made a motion to purchase the plane for $50, Bruce Hadella seconded, and the motion passed.
New business started with Don Hungerford, who has been making repairs to our flight tables, and asked to do another one that needs work. Darrell Anderson made a motion, Dave Grosse seconded, and the motion passed, for Don to continue to repair the tables. Thank you, Don! We then talked about upcoming events. The Helena float fly is on September 7th, at Hauser Lake, there is a $5 parking fee. There is an event in Bozeman on the 21st. Our quad event is on the 28th and Leo's is October 5th.
Dan Woods then brought up indoor flying at Paris Gibson school. It was decided that this would start on October 2nd. Dan also suggested a flat $5 fee per night per flyer to fly there. Dave Harris made a motion, Dave Grosse seconded, and the motion passed to charge this $5 fee. Our next topic of discussion was our annual banquet. It will be at the Montana Club, on December 14th, from 1:00 to 4:00 PM. They suggest a maximum of 30 people but are flexible. We will get to order from the menu and a head count will be taken at the December meeting. Doug McCombs questioned the group, asking if he could fly a control line model in the fields parking lot. We decided it would be no problem as long as there are no vehicles close by.Meeting was adjourned at 7.53pm.
August 7, 2019
President Dan Woods brought the meeting to order at 7:05 pm at the 10th Ave South Hardees with 8 members in attendance. Dan read the minutes from the June meeting and they were accepted as read. Treasurer Darrell Anderson read the Treasurer’s report and it was also accepted as read. Old Business: We started talking about old business with the project of repairing the cracks in the runway and the bids we had received from the 2 contractors. The bids we a little confusing to some of us as what it covered. It appeared that the 2 bids did not cover the same things or the complete repair. Discussions were had on how much it would cost if we did the repairs ourselves. It was determined that we could fix the three cracks between $500-$1000 depending on whether we use concrete (150ft x 1’ wide x 4” thick = 1.8CY @ approx. $120/CY = $216 plus possible delivery fee). If we went with cold patch asphalt, we would need 42 bags at $15 per bag so a total of $630. Road mix gravel for the base would be about $30. Equipment costs for the walk behind saw would be around $150. We would need to get a several of the 5 gal buckets of asphalt sealer for the rest of the cracks and that would be another couple $100 depending how much we go through and what type we get. A motion was made to have Dan Woods get the walk behind saw this Saturday and cut the asphalt. Motion passed. The plan right now would be to remove the cut asphalt next Tuesday and get a concrete truck to deliver concrete to patch back in. Darrel mentioned if we do not have the cracks fixed by the scale fly-in on August 24th we could cover them with some tar paper or cardboard as a temporary fix to allow us the full use of the runway.
Darrell and John attended the Helena Float fly this last weekend. There was about 15 people total that attended.
New Business: Darrell Anderson had an update for the LAANC system that is now available for recreational flyers. There are 2 apps that you can get on your smart phone to log your location and see the restrictions for your particular grid inside of controlled airspace. The two apps were Kittyhawk and Airmap. Darrell showed us some of the functionality of the Airmap app that was on his phone.
John Sandy is planning on attending the Victor fly-in this weekend and encouraged anyone that could attend to do so. August 17th is AMA Model Aviation Day and there is a National Fly-a-thon for the AMA Foundation. We will have an informal event out at our airfield on that day. John mentioned that there is a fly-in at Paradise Valley and several of our members plan on attending that. There was some confusion last meeting about our Quad event, and that is scheduled for Sept and not August. We talked about membership and ways we could expand it. Darrell has not run all the numbers on expenditures and revenue, but we have been maintaining a balance for the last couple of years. We will review the lease agreement to see if we could have a track for the car guys and possibly some ways that we could accomplish this. We will explore if this is possible and how the car club works and if they even would be open to that idea. We can develop the details of this as it develops. Meeting was adjourned at 8:40. Thanks to all who attended! Minutes taken by David Grosse
Big Sky RC Meeting Minutes February 5, 2020
Vice-President Dave Grosse brought the meeting to order at 7:00 PM at the 10th Street Hardees, with 11 members and 1 guest in attendance. Don Gilles read the minutes from January’s meeting and they were accepted as read. Treasurer Darrel Anderson read the Treasurer’s report and it was also accepted as read.
Dave Grosse stated there’s no new information on the car track, Bud Lee’s planes or the sign relocation. Dave read the tentative 2020 events. The events so far are: Fort Benton field on the month - March 21, Quad Race - June 6, Paradise Valley Fly in - June 12-14, Fort Benton Float Fly - June 26-28, Great Falls Open House - July 10-12, Great Falls Float Fly -July 25, Scale Fly In - August 22, Quad Race - September 26 and Leo's Memorial Fly-In - Oct 3. All dates are subject to change. Dave Grosse stated we were thinking of naming our events after former members and that we might need to discuss this further – nobody volunteered to head this up. John Sandy stated that Missoula’s club has scheduled a Fly-In for 8-9 Aug in Victor, MT.
Tom Penn talked about the car track. A go-fast track is probably not going to happen and there is little interest in starting a new club. Tom stated there is a lot of interest in rock crawler clubs and rock crawler courses. Bruce Hadella said maybe we could offer the rock crawlers a reduced rate of $40 to $45 a year as these members won’t be using our field but just a small corner, yet TBD, to make a rock crawler track. Dave Grosse stated that Dan Woods is still reviewing the lease requirements to ensure the club is ok to do this. John Sandy brought some old AMA magazines down to Hobby Time R/C. Tom Penn stated that there hasn’t been much interest in airplanes outside of our own members.
Dave Grosse opened new business with a discussion on the club’s Bylaws and Rules. Dave stated he hadn’t gotten a lot of feedback since he sent out his suggested revisions. Darrell Anderson suggested we update the name of our Safety Officer to Safety Coordinator. Darrell also cautioned us on attempting to regulate courtesy while making changes to our rules. Bruce Hadella requested the club update the rules for driving / unloading in the pit area vs parking in the pit area. A vigorous discussion about vehicles in the pit area ensued. Dave Grosse stated he’ll add a tentative rule clarifying when vehicles can be in the pit area and that members are liable for damage to their own vehicle if it’s damaged in the pit area.
Dave Grossed continued with suggested updates to the 72Mhz rules. Many members suggested to leave them as is as some still fly with 72Mhz. John Ropp suggested we might need to add some type of frequency board for FPV flying. A lengthy discussion on FPV frequencies ensued. Nothing final was agreed upon concerning changes on either of these matters.
Dave Grosse stated he has updated the rule concerning spectators in the pit area. It was again cautioned to not over regulate this, the spectator might be our next new member. Bruce Hadella asked about members flying 3d while other members are flying. Dave clarified that we do have a rule concerning hovering aircraft.
John Sandy stated that the rule concerning handicapped member’s vehicles should be updated to state that after their aircraft are unloaded the member’s vehicle should be moved to regular parking. It was decided to remove the handicap rule as it wasn’t needed.
Don Hungerford stated that we need to ensure vehicles are not too close to the FPV flying area and maybe modifying the parking area as needed. Dave Grosse drafted a new rule specifying when helicopters and drones must stay out of the aircraft flying area unless permission is given by members flying aircraft at that time. Dave also added a rule concerning end of day lockup. Dave Grosse stated we should table the Bylaws discussion for another meeting, TBD.
John Sandy asked about the “Full Scale” aviation conference. Darrell Anderson gave a brief rundown.
John Sandy and Doug McCombs discussed setting up an area for control line flying over by the helicopter pad. Doug has marked out an area and placed stakes in the ground – please be observant. John plans on mowing the area later this spring. Darrell Anderson gave an update on RemoteID and reminded everyone to make comments on the FAA website for RemoteID.
Tom Penn brought a guest, Aaron. Thanks Tom. Thanks to all attendees, the meeting was adjourned at 8:28pm.